So, about book one....

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So, about book one....

Postby Sycamoyr » Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:01 pm

Hey long time no read everyone, good to see some familiar names on here after so long out of the loop.
Anyways, where exactly does book one pick up from? Does it start WAY back at the beginning from the first strip? or does it pick up from one of the newer story arcs?
I'll probably end up buying it regardless, but it would be nice to know.
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Tekkactus » Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:36 pm

Book 1 starts where the Noosehead arc ended. The first chapter is the storyline where we meet Hazel for the first time.

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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Sycamoyr » Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:45 pm

Hey thanks for the reply tekkactus. I had hoped the first book would begin with the beginning, but I had a sinking suspicion that it would be otherwise. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby pie » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:29 am

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Re: So, about book one....

Postby funnyface » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:43 pm

Were there other books prior to bk 1? I thought all the previous arcs were published too.
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Agrajag » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:44 pm

Nothing prior to Are Very Famous was published in giant book form. There were two mini books published. One was an early "best of SnF" type thing, and the other was the beginning parts of Noosehead. Dunno if either is still available anywhere.
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Kelso » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:08 pm

Agrajag wrote:Nothing prior to Are Very Famous Fix Your Problem was published in giant book form.

Fixed your problem, there.

Yeah, the minibooks were about the same size as Skull Panda in Love. (Which is still available by the way.)
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Sycamoyr » Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:25 pm

Yay! I just ordered both the books. Can't wait to get them and see what Sam decides to sketch for me. It took me awhile to bite Topatoco'$ bullet, but it's gonna be worth it.
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Sycamoyr » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:50 am

Aw. I didn't even notice that Sam does "book plates" not actual sketches. :x
I really want to show my friends (whom I cannot get to sit and read a comic online) the story of Sam and Fuzzy. Their journey from start to current in the story is amazing, hilarious, and immersive.
I found Sam and Fuzzy back in November of 2004 when what is known as the Love and War story arc was in full swing. Having reached the comic from another web-comic (QC), I knew the value of reading a story from it's beginning. I started reading Sam and Fuzzy with the beginning of the series and fell in love with the crazy antics that eventually led to Sam actually becoming the Ninja Emperor.
So needless to say, anyone (computer-less, or oblivious, or both) who picks up Fix Your Problem first will be missing out on, and cheated out of, a good story which (I thought) needs to be told in its entirety to really appreciate where Sam and Fuzzy are now.
Telling someone about X and Y does not really show them how awesome they were prior to Fix Your Problem. It almost ruins the story to jump ahead.
Sorry Sam, I just had to vent a bit. I really want the whole story in book format. Please don't write off your early work as inconsequential!
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Sam Logan » Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:14 pm

The bookplates ARE actual sketches! I just draw them on bookplates because I live in a different country from Topatoco and can't draw in the books directly. But they are still all original drawings!

I'd never write off my early work as inconsequential. But the reality is, we are talking about over 1600 printed pages of comics. That's five huge books at the current size. Plus the two I already have, plus a new one every year... I just don't sell enough books to have that many in print at the same time, I would bankrupt myself. I love books, but they are a really niche product for me... only a tiny fraction of the readers I have now (less than 1%) have bought the two books I already have. I had to pick somewhere to start with the books, and it was impossible to please everyone because everyone has their own favourite era. So I picked the newest stuff because it is the most popular, most "book-y", most stand-alone, and easiest to sell to newer readers (because it isn't distractingly poorly drawn).

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I'm looking at using kickstarter (or a similar service) to do a massive omnibus collecting the earlier work. A book like that is going to be expensive and primarily for hardcore fans, but at least then it would be available for the people it is important to! I'm also going to make ebooks, which, again, isn't perfect, but is at least another way to get people the older material.
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby pie » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:37 pm

I'd support a kickstarter (Or Indiegogo, which a lot of non-US comickers seem to be using). I'd also be fully in support of a 15 lb 1600 page single volume comic epic. Efficient!
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Joopac_Badur » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:57 pm

pie wrote:I'd also be fully in support of a 15 lb 1600 page single volume comic epic. Efficient!

Or alternatively, three books: one is Volumes 0 through 3, and then have Noosehead split into two parts (possibly between Regicide and Lies and Ties).
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Sycamoyr » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:40 am

Sorry about the bookplate thing- you're such a pro now it's so hard to tell it was drawn by hand!
I would love to see the original story make it to book form someday though. I have always been in favor of the grail that could be the Sam and Fuzzy Megatome. I actually LIKE the old cartoony feel to the artwork. Fuzzy's character was a touch more riskay/capitalist=hilarity back then. To me-the story is epic because it builds on characters I have met and known since the beginning. I just don't know that it gives the same impression to a new reader.
Again sorry to be critical. I can see where Fix Your Problem is a good place to start, based on the fact that most major story arcs were tied up in previous "eras", it makes for a smooth beginning to the story while still alluding to the past.
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Sam Logan » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:09 pm

It's always a kind of delicate balance for me, making new stories that are great places for new readers to "start", but that still actively build on the older material. I do understand what you're saying though, because I totally agree that reading the whole thing is the ideal way to experience it! I just know it's hard to convince people to do. So instead, I try to have it both ways.

My real hope when I tell people to start reading "Fix Your Problem" is that, if they like it, they'll go back and read the old stuff too. Because of that, I generally avoid putting anything in the new comics that might "spoil" some of the biggest twists of the old comics -- like what happened with Fridge and Candice, or how Crush turned out to be Sam, or how Mr. Blank plotted to position and then assassinate Emperor Sam. (Of course, some things... like Sam being in charge of NMS or Sin not being a real person... inevitably have to spoil things a little.)
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Re: So, about book one....

Postby Sycamoyr » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:14 pm

I like your logic in that design. It also gets people interested in what Sin is all about, my friend actually wants to make the effort to read the online stuff because of that, some of the plot points, and my reminiscing. What makes it difficult is that he doesn't have internet in his home and lives far from public internet access.
Fix Your Problem is an interesting and entertaining story arc and I've read it a couple times now. Thanks for publishing hard copies of what you could. I really do appreciate them.
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