Graphicks?

[Ben]

How about incredible graphics being used in games such as Crysis ? If run at a high enough quality, camouflage used by enemy soldiers actualy works. Occasionaly you can't even see the guys standing three feet in front of you.

From what I've heard Crysis is pretty shit to play though.

Mass Effect is intresting though, cause undoubtedly its a beautifull game, but they tried to do too much with what they had so the game is full of graphical glitches to the point were the texture popping in new areas is standerd rather then an occasional glitch.

Assassins Creed would be a better example IMO because while it doesn't have the same level as visual quality in the charecter models as say Wrex has in Mass Effect, it's ability to render the entire city from a birds eye view as you stand atop a tower then being able to dive down into the streets and interact with hundreds of NPC's on screen at once is with no noticeable visual hic-ups. I think vastly more impressive then anything mass effect does graphic.

Not to say Mass Effect isn't a great game (It is, anyone who doesn't own it should buy it) Just not the best example of fantastic graphics.

The comment on the CG movies though, that is a completly diffrent issue. Pixar movies arn't technicly superior in any significant way to what dreamworks do, there animation isn't better either. The diffrence between the movies has nothing to do with the animation, Pixar movies are written well. Thats really the only thing that sets them apart from all the other ones. The charecters are likeable, the plots are good, they would be good movies if there animation was shit, they'd be good movies done in live action or 2D animation or claymation. The 3D animation is completly irrelivent.

[Matador]

Actually, if you compare Shrek 3 to The Incredibles, Pixar makes better looking movies, too. Not just graphically, but in their animation, too. Part of that is art direction. Another part is that they aren't trying to push out two crappy movies a year.

I think that Shrek 1 was a good looking film with a good story, but a couple of sparse environments. Every Dreamworks cartoon since then has been highly rendered, but had poor art direction [Shark Tale and Madagascar], or Stiff animation [Shrek 2 and 3]. They have the horsepower, but they don't have the material to work with, be it story or art.

[Ben]

I liked the art direction in Madgascar actully, it was verry art deco.

Incredibles was a Brad Bird movie though so that puts it in a league way out of... well basicly anything else.

[Knight]

I was suprised by the Incredibles. Not only is there death, but like... really gruesome death. Usually that's banned from Pixar movies.

[Leetmuffin]

I am a massive fan of the Incredibles, I've seen it like 12 times.

Just thought I'd say that.

[Ben]

I was suprised by the Incredibles. Not only is there death, but like... really gruesome death. Usually that's banned from Pixar movies.

Watching Hopper get eaten wasn't a gruesom death? Or hell, Toystory had the Toys being dismemberd and sewn together to make frankenstein creatures.

[Leetmuffin]

I'm pretty sure being sucked into a plane's engine was a bit more violent than Toy Story.

[Knight]

1) Hopper was a grasshopper. Got eaten by bird. Circle o' life.
2) Toys are toys. And none of them died.
3) Hechmen, various superheroes, and evil dude were people. Murdered by a robo-sphere, sucked into jet turbined, getting burned to death... yikes!

[Matador]

Incredibles was a great movie because of the story, yes. But it was also a great movie because of the art direction. None of that would have been found at Dreamworks. Dreamworks has had made horrible decisions with their art direction. Sure, it looks pretty, but it doesn't animate well. It looks stiff. The incredibles felt more lifelike not just because of the skin quality [which amazed me], but because out how lively they looked. Every movement they made created another, smaller movement. It felt more natural.

I'm not trying to take away from Brad Birds work on the film, but he's also working with talented people. Pixar animation is at the top of the industry. I think that Over the Hedge came the closest of al the dreamworks movies to having the quality animation of a pixar film, but it lacked the spirit.

[Ben]

1) Hopper was a grasshopper. Got eaten by bird. Circle o' life.
2) Toys are toys. And none of them died.
3) Hechmen, various superheroes, and evil dude were people. Murdered by a robo-sphere, sucked into jet turbined, getting burned to death... yikes!

If you're going to make the qualifier that only human death counts then of course it wouldn't have been in a pixar movie before cause Incredibles was there first with humans in.

I'm not denying that the animators at Pixar are some of the best around, they're deffintly ahead of the curve, but not by a significant amount. The art direction was brilliant yeah, but again thats more to do with the way Pixar think about there movies and not the technical side. There were scenes in the movie that had to be taken out because the animators couldn't do them. (Watch the commentary by the Animators on the DVD, one of my fave commentaries) On a technical level Pixar are above most other animation companies but even that really comes down to the fact that they put more time into there movies, another company wouldn't have spent 6 months developing new rendering techniques for food for Ratatoulie. Pixar really just take the time they need on every aspect of there movies wich is why they always end up being better.

[pie]

The Incredibles was very well animated, but story-wise I didn't feel it excelled over any of the previous Pixar films.

[Agrajag]

Incredibles is my favorite Pixar movie, following by Finding Nemo. I actually didn't care for Ratatouille that much, even my love for Patton Oswalt couldn't get me to care about it very much.

[pie]

Mine is A Bug's Life, probably followed by Nemo.

[mixofsunandcloud]

I haven't seen Ratatouille yet.

[Ben]

Incredibles is my favorite Pixar movie, following by Finding Nemo. I actually didn't care for Ratatouille that much, even my love for Patton Oswalt couldn't get me to care about it very much.

I didn't think I was going to like Ratatoulie but I went to see it cause of Brad Birds name and was plesently suprised (Yes if you hadn't guessed I have a mancrush on Brad Bird)