Ultimate Doctor Who Madness

[frazzledog]

When he got all excited about time being rewritten, I just thought he was excited that River doesn't have to technically die at the library.

[Agrajag]

Yeah they were clearly implying the the Doctor is considering trying to rewrite time so that River doesn't die.

[Joopac_Badur]

A friend of mine pointed out something about "Flesh and Stone" that has me a little bothered. When the Doctor is leaving Amy to go find the main controller room, he pats her on the head, reminds her to keep her eyes closed, and leaves with out his tweed jacket.

A few seconds later he returns and says that if he always told her the truth, she would never need to trust him. After admitting she does, in fact, trust the Doctor, Amy is again confused when he tells her it is crucial that she remembers what he told her when she was a seven year old. Amy asks the Doctor to tell her what she said, but the Doctor states this isn't the point - she must remember, not just be told.

He does this while wearing his tweed jacket. Cut to next scene with him and River finding the control room and he doesn't have the jacket.

Now, this could have been a simply continuity error.

Or what if the Doctor goes back to the forest to see Amy there ... for something.

[Agrajag]

Hmm, odd. In any other show I would say just a mistake, but with Doctor Who I'm not sure. That whole scene was a bit odd really. What is it he wanted her to remember exactly?

[Jim North]

Yeah they were clearly implying the the Doctor is considering trying to rewrite time so that River doesn't die.

That's an enormous leap to make. I just watched the scene again to make sure I didn't miss something, and there isn't any clear implication. He could be talking about that or several other things at that point. For example, "Maybe I can make sure River doesn't kill whoever it is she kills/killed".

[Joopac_Badur]

I went back and watched the parts of "The Eleventh Hour" where Amy was a child. The only thing that really stood out in their conversation that might be something the Doctor would want her to remember is when he's first describing the crack in the universe, where he says, "Two parts of space and time that never should have touched." Now it appears that these cracks are linked to Amy, so what if she was actually one of those points? And what is the second? Maybe the Doctor himself. Maybe Amy is the lost Time Lady and not River. Maybe I'm just rambling.

However, another interesting thing to happen in that episode, took place right before the Doctor returns for Amy two years later. Before the scene opens with Amy in her bed, it briefly flashes to when she was a child waiting for him to return. She hears and acknowledges the TARDIS's engines revving. Could the Doctor end up visiting Amy again throughout different parts of her life to reveal vital information that she had forgotten while growing up?

And the plot thickens ...

[Agrajag]

My impression of the scene where young Amy hears the TARDIS returning is that it was a dream, given that immediately following adult Amy wakes up to the same sound.

[Joopac_Badur]

Possibly, or it could be a suppressed memory trying to revive itself. Who knows? Amy forgot what the Doctor looked like when they first reencountered each other, so it's possible she forgot everything else.

Also, when he's about to take her away at the end of the episode, she asks why it's her that he is so interested in taking with him. He passes it off that he's just lonely and wants to travel with a friend again. She asks if that's all it really is and he says yes, nothing else ... while his computer screen is showing another crack in the universe which he glances at during the conversation.

He's definitely been hiding something this whole time. He may not know exactly what's going on with these cracks but he certainly knows more than he's letting on, which could tie in to him seeing her in the forest with the tweed jacket. So he's been hiding the fact from Amy that he knows something about the cracks and they are tied to her, but he's not completely sure how. Later on, he figures it out and realizes that he should have told Amy about it all along but it's too late to do anything about it by himself; Amy has to figure it out on her own.

So he goes back in time throughout her life, as a child, in the forest, etc, to try to get her to not trust him so she can realize whatever it is she needs to know she she can save the day.

Now you'd think this would open some sort of paradox because he'd be going back into his own timeline because he's now linked to Amy's, but, as we've learned in this past episode, "time can be rewritten."

Oh god ... I've just realized ... I've become one of those nerds ... I'm thinking too much about this show!

[PyscoUno]

Prisoner Zero taunts the Doctor about the source of the cracks in time and space, and warns him that "the Pandorica will open, silence will fall"

River, who after completing her mission is about to be teleported back to her cell in space, tells the Doctor she will see him again when the Pandorica opens (unnerving the Doctor, who claims the Pandorica is just a fairy tale), and that the man she killed was the best man she'd ever known. She is teleported back to the penal starship, with the remaining soldiers.

I was going for the continuity mistake with the jacket issue too, until Bleeding Cool said that the line about leaving the Tardis breaks off and it makes no sound is perfect for a returning Doctor set up aaargh. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/05/03/ ... -boogaloo/

So was soft-tender Doctor from a future point in his timeline? How did he get here, wouldn’t we have heard another TARDIS appearing and disappearing? Maybe not, especially considering River Song’s revelation earlier in the episode that the TARDIS only makes the noise it does because the Doctor keeps the brakes on. What if he, quite deliberately this time, left them off?

The one thing I’m still holding onto from the original Great Doctor Who Conspiracy post? That the Doctor did actually return to the seven year old Amelia.

[Joopac_Badur]

Vampires In Venice (there be spoilers ahead)

A nice episode. Felt a little fillerish, but not terribly so. Another mention of these cracks, which are now apparently in Venice, as the end of the episode revealed.

I like Rory. I was a bit concerned that he was going to be Mickey 2.0, what with his girlfriend being in the TARDIS, she's got a thing for the Doctor, now he's a legit companion, and yet he seems to be fairly unique onto himself. I like how when he's first in the TARDIS and the Doctor's trying to goad him into saying "It's bigger on the inside," Rory just says, "It's like another dimension."

The next episode looks pretty trippy and I'm liking it. The Dream Lord? Hmmm. Oh and Amy's preggo? Not so cute now ...

[Agrajag]

I really enjoyed this episode. Lots of great dialogue, especially between the Doctor and Rory, Cool villains and a not-unbelievable resolution. Next episode looks cool too.

[PyscoUno]

the Doctors face when he said 'i like it when they say it's bigger on the inside' was great. agreed, it's a relief the assistants fiancé is likeable. It was such a good episode if you're a fan of hammer horror, and it's got a great pace to build up the silence/crack drama.

[Ben]

how the fuck are you people so far ahead, the first epp with the weeping angels has only just aired here.

[PyscoUno]

Short answer: time machines. Long answer: we will tell you about it five years ago.

[Agrajag]

The episodes air in Britain first since it's a British show. BBC America is on a 2-3 week delay, probably the same for other countries as well.