Ultimate Doctor Who Madness

[Agrajag]

If you haven't seen it already, this video is pretty sweet.

[Agrajag]

Man, this episode of Doctor Who would have been so much better if they actually kept both Amy's. Ever since the Farscape, every time there's a clone or duplication episode of any show, I just wish that they would actually go through with and not reset everything back to normal at the end. Farscape went almost two whole seasons with two copies of the main character, and it was amazing. I wish other shows had the balls to make major, lasting changes to the continuity and story like that.

[kleptoman]

Yet it could make so much more tension between Amy and Rory if they keep only one. And tension between Rory and the Doctor, too. Which was probably the point.

And still no talk about their daughter, or anything child related. Not even that the other hasn't mentioned it. Come on now.

[Kelso]

[Joopac_Badur]

Yet it could make so much more tension between Amy and Rory if they keep only one. And tension between Rory and the Doctor, too. Which was probably the point.
And still no talk about their daughter, or anything child related. Not even that the other hasn't mentioned it. Come on now.

While normally I'd agree with Aggers about having the two Amys, Klepto is right, in this particular instance it added more tension and depth by having a character choose which clone survives, rather than one just dying by happenstance (re: In The Flesh/The Almost People). It was particularly intense when Rory points out how the Doctor is turning Rory into him.

Also, departing with Rory and Amy at the end of "God Complex" just came out of nowhere. I mean, I figured that this might be their last series with the Doctor, but I figured they'd wait till the finale. Then again, it seems like one of them has almost died for realz every episode, so maybe the idea of having companions being a bad idea really is hitting home for the Doctor.

And another thing, I am a bit disappointed with Series 6 as a whole. In Series 5, they had the perfect build up to the finale where "everything all comes together" with the cracks in the universe arc. So Series 6 we have the Doctor dying and a mysterious Time Lord child from the git-go; Fuck yeah! Let's do this! But man, it just seems like they're puttering along with hardly a mention of the overall arc except in the smallest of pieces, and then, out of nowhere, everything speeds up!

We have River's identity revealed and then the "Let's Kill Hitler" episode, and then nothing! Hardly a mention of this plot until just now where, completely unrelated to the rest of "Closing Time," we see River getting kidnapped again. And herp derp time for the finale.

Blargh. It just seems like Moffat, who has otherwise been exemplary head for the show, has gotten a bit sloppy with this Series.

[kleptoman]

I think it was going well until "A Good Man Goes To War", and it went downhill from there. One of the things I didn't like about that episode was too short to include everything in it. So it felt rushed and insubstantial. I think it was a poor choice to have that as just one episode when they had a two part one just before. Although, the gangers/two doctors one was done well and was a fairly good two parter.

[Raven_1959]

So. Silence will fall when The Question is asked:

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What stopped the Doctor from telling River about the Tesselecta?

[Agrajag]

Yeah this season definitely suffered from them wanting to have a big dramatic overall story arc and also wanting to have standalone episodes. But overall I liked it. I'm glad the Silence were given a bit more of a backstory/motivation since that was severely lacking before. And I'm glad we're presumably going to see more of them next season.

My biggest complaint is still about why they made River in the first place? Like eventually they just showed up with a robot spacesuit that forced her to kill him. So why bother with the whole kidnapping her and training her to be a trained psycho assassin? Since none of that ended up being useful to her at all. Why did she need to be the one in the suit? Because they're in the future and history said that's how it happens? Seems kinda silly. In fact, given how often River has assisted the Doctor in other adventures, if she didn't exist at all he would probably be dead already.

Also, I liked how the Silence acknowledged how Rory always dies.

[Joopac_Badur]

This is all going to be very long, and I apologize, but there are a lot of thoughts generated from this episode ...

First off, it's obvious that this and the Hitler episode were the main drains on the budget, lol. Still, nice of them to go out with a bang.

It's been theorized on various blogs and forums that River had to be the one to kill the Doctor as a means of making the moment a completely fixed event. She is, for all intents and purposes, a Time Lord, and it's much harder to alter events when more than one Time Lord is involved. Likewise, by having her there as the killer, an observer, and as a developing fetus in Amy's womb, there are three versions of her present. The Doctor can't alter his own time line, imagine if there were three versions of you around. It makes the entire situation completely impossible to change ... unless you happen to be in a robot suit.

What stopped the Doctor from telling River about the Tesselecta?

I think it was his way of making sure she didn't blow his cover of putting on a convincing show for the Silence. The whole reason he went through with his death was to meet history's fixed point and get the Silence to back off. He probably didn't want to risk River giving up the act, but later had to tell her in order to convince her to put the time line back in order.

The Silence mocking Rory's deaths was also fantastic. Hilarious and serious all at once. The man's almost as hard to (really) kill as Jack Harkness. Also, does his badassery know no bounds? The eye patch is going off, but he still stands with gun in hand.

Doctor. Doctor who? It's more than just a secret, isn't it?

Oh Steven Moffat ... you've been wanting to do this arc from the very beginning, haven't you? Then again, the theme of the show all the way back to the First Doctor has in part been who exactly is the Doctor anyway? Now Moffat's putting it all out there. I likey. Much better than the Question being some 42-like nonsense.

And one more thing, there's been rumors that Omega is the "big bad" behind all of this since Series 5. Now, I've generally written all of that off as just as good as any other theory, but then someone pointed out this ...

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The goddamn Clerics have had the omega symbol on their uniform the whole time. Granted, this could be Moffat fucking with us, but then again, Moffat sometimes likes to fuck with us in a good, tender way. A sort of "Ha! I've had it all right there from day one in front of you! Silly fans!"

All-in-all, while I, too, have mixed feelings about this Series, I think the overall quality of the finale (and the few other really great episodes) makes me content and pleased with it as a whole. SEE YOU AGAIN AT CHRISTMAS TIME!!!

[Jim North]

So, I'd been being lazy about getting on the first episode of season 6.5, and kept being lazy about getting caught up and kept being lazy and kept being lazy, then I finally decided to start catching up last night. I had thought I had missed only a few episodes at most during this time, but I was shocked to find that I had missed the entire rest of the season. So I went through 'em all in one long go. Quick thoughts!

Let's Kill Hitler - At one point I said that I looked forward to seeing a non-River version of Melody with the hopes that she would be a more tolerable character. Those hopes were picked up by this episode, lovingly petted, and then dashed to the ground to break into a million pieces before being doused in kerosene and lit on fire. Hate her SO. MUCH. But I did like the whole switcheroo tango they had going on. And I kinda liked the captain of the robot, 'cause he reminded me a little of Neil Flynn. Woulda been better if it had actually been Neil Flynn, but whaddayagonnado, eh?

Night Terrors - Well, at least this episode turned out better than when it was called Fear Her.

The Girl Who Waited - ALL MY TEARS.

The God Complex - Heheh, very good stuff. Seems like they really went all out trying to bring the creepy with this season overall and this half in particular, and this is one of the attempts that truly hit the nail on the head. The ending was very nice, too, and it does the ol' hearts good to see more companions getting a proper sendoff instead of running off in a huff, getting dropped off unceremoniously in the wrong neighborhood, getting trapped in an alternate universe, getting all their memories wiped to avoid a horrible death, or otherwise getting the shaft. Of course we know now that it didn't truly last given the season finale, but it was still nice of the Doctor to try, anyway.

Closing Time - I like Craig! He could definitely be the new Rory, saving the world and the universe over and over again with the sheer badassery of his feelings. And a very nice use of the Cybermen! I've been enjoying seeing the contrast of similarities and differences between them and their Cybus cousins. And I loved the Cybermat!

The Wedding of River Song - This one was pretty brilliant, really. It seems almost like I shouldn't like it considering how cluttered it is, but there are just so many amazing moments in it that I can't not like it. All the different time stuff mixed together made for great visuals as well as character moments. The creepy eyepatches took on a level in awesome when it was Rory and Amy wearing them. The Silents continued to establish themselves as truly credible and pretty badass threats, even after their apparent overthrow at the beginning of the season. Rory continued to be his truly badass self. Dorium continued to be awesomely hilarious, especially his "How bad are my injuries?" bit. The distress call was brilliant and a great reinforcement of what the Doctor got a glimmer of in the previous episode . . . just how much good he's done and how much he's really needed. And the way he got out of his own death? Loved it!

A couple of duds for 6.5, in my opinion, but even they weren't horrible or anything. Overall, this has been pretty great. And though I have been enjoying the Doctor as the Oncoming Storm, striding across time and space to bring war to all who would perpetrate evil, I have to say that I very much look forward to things settling back down to where he fights evil more regularly on a more intimate level. Things can't be super epic all the time, after all, or they'll start to get super boring as well!

[Joopac_Badur]

So Rory and Amy will be leaving Doctor Who mid-Series 7, and Moffat says it's going to be a heartbreaking moment.

Honestly, I thought they were done when Series 6 was through. There was the end of "The God Complex" where the Doctor realizes (again) that traveling with human companions is a very dangerous idea, and then the ending of "The Wedding of River Song" also seemed to imply that they were finished, what with all the closure about him cheating time and his assassination and both of them hanging out at their new home just waiting to chill with River.

There's some hubbub about Moffat's "heartbreaking" ending, with people worried that once again, the companions are going to get the shaft in the worst sort of way. Of course, heartbreaking can mean a lot of things. My current theory is that mid-season will be when Amy and Rory find out that the Doctor (sort of) knows when River is going to die and that by continuing to see her, it's only driving her closer to her inevitable end. Moffat's already reminded us about the final trip to the Singing Towers with those DVDexclusive shorts, so it would make sense to bring it up again in Series 7.

[Agrajag]

Karen Gillan said she kinda wants her character to die so there's no chance of bringing her back again in the future. But yeah I agree, I thought they were already pretty much done.

[Joopac_Badur]

Or Rory dies FOR REAL THIS TIME GUISE.

[MrSquishyDBC]

So I've been slowly catching up with Doctor Who. I started watching during the third season and caught up in time for the fourth season, but I didn't know anyone else who watched it and I didn't like Donna so I stopped. But now pretty much everyone I know watches it, so I decided to catch up.

I just started Season Six today (watching episode 3 right now). Man, Moffat makes the show so much better. Seasons 1-4 were fun, don't get me wrong, but 5 and 6 are fantastic! Matt Smith is easily my favorite Doctor, and Amy is gorgeous. And it finally looks like they were given a decent budget in seasons 5 and 6.
I know a lot about the plot of these seasons because of the internet and people talking about it, but it's still fun and exciting.

[Jim North]

Spoiler: show

Ben Browder.

In Doctor Who.

Best season ever.