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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby Tekkactus » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:10 am

Prometheus was... difficult to grade. Like, it was fantastic. Great sci-fi horror, a much underloved genre, beautifully done, tons of OH SHIT twists and turns...

...and then there's the fridge logic. Oh my God so much fridge logic. Off the top of my head (MAJOR spoilers follow):

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-What was the deal with the opening credits? What purpose did showing that Engineer kill himself serve, and why did the toxin work differently on him than anyone else?

-Asshole Geologist becomes a zombie... why, exactly? Again, a totally random scene that makes no sense in the context of the rules they set and adds nothing but a higher body count to the plot.

-FOR FUCK'S SAKE VICKERS JUST TURN LEFT

-Almost everything David does feels like it's arbitrarily dickish for the sole reason that robots in the Alien universe are always dicks. He had a quota to fill, I guess. Though I admit Fassbender fucking killed it with the subtle snarkiness.

-So the Engineers built this weapon on a far off facility from their homeworld for the express purpose of eradicating the human race 3500 years ago. You would think that at some point during those 3500 years the rest of the Engineer species would notice humans aren't dead and maybe, I dunno, try again? Oops, we had a chemical spill. Bag the whole shindig, guys, pack it up.

-For that matter, what kind of shitty plan is the chemical weapon, anyway? You create a toxin that will disintegrate your DNA within 24 hours if ingested, and while infected if you have sex your sperm turns into a Face Hugger? You're a race of super-powered giants trying to kill cave-men, you stupid fucks, just shoot a laser at them or something.

-And of course, the big reveal! The Xenomorphs were genetically engineered by the Space Jockey. Pants shitting moment, right? Oh man, now we know what the Xenomorphs really are! Except, you know, that implies that the ship from the original Alien was a totally different Engineer ship that also was carrying the toxin, fucked up its transport, infected someone, that someone got laid while infected, and then THAT resulting mutant demon baby managed to stick a tentacle down someone's throat. That justifies the first Alien. Where there's one. Throw in the entire race of them and it makes zero sense. The only way that this "big reveal" could possibly work is if Prometheus was its own continuity branching from the first film, and even then it's a shit show because that implies there were multiple Engineer ships all carrying the toxin and not a single one made it to Earth.


So yeah. There's that.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby Kelso » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:44 am

Fridge logic?

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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby pie » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:07 pm

Tekkactus wrote:Prometheus was... difficult to grade. Like, it was fantastic. Great sci-fi horror, a much underloved genre, beautifully done, tons of OH SHIT twists and turns...

...and then there's the fridge logic. Oh my God so much fridge logic. Off the top of my head (MAJOR spoilers follow):

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-What was the deal with the opening credits? What purpose did showing that Engineer kill himself serve, and why did the toxin work differently on him than anyone else?

-Asshole Geologist becomes a zombie... why, exactly? Again, a totally random scene that makes no sense in the context of the rules they set and adds nothing but a higher body count to the plot.

-FOR FUCK'S SAKE VICKERS JUST TURN LEFT

-Almost everything David does feels like it's arbitrarily dickish for the sole reason that robots in the Alien universe are always dicks. He had a quota to fill, I guess. Though I admit Fassbender fucking killed it with the subtle snarkiness.

-So the Engineers built this weapon on a far off facility from their homeworld for the express purpose of eradicating the human race 3500 years ago. You would think that at some point during those 3500 years the rest of the Engineer species would notice humans aren't dead and maybe, I dunno, try again? Oops, we had a chemical spill. Bag the whole shindig, guys, pack it up.

-For that matter, what kind of shitty plan is the chemical weapon, anyway? You create a toxin that will disintegrate your DNA within 24 hours if ingested, and while infected if you have sex your sperm turns into a Face Hugger? You're a race of super-powered giants trying to kill cave-men, you stupid fucks, just shoot a laser at them or something.

-And of course, the big reveal! The Xenomorphs were genetically engineered by the Space Jockey. Pants shitting moment, right? Oh man, now we know what the Xenomorphs really are! Except, you know, that implies that the ship from the original Alien was a totally different Engineer ship that also was carrying the toxin, fucked up its transport, infected someone, that someone got laid while infected, and then THAT resulting mutant demon baby managed to stick a tentacle down someone's throat. That justifies the first Alien. Where there's one. Throw in the entire race of them and it makes zero sense. The only way that this "big reveal" could possibly work is if Prometheus was its own continuity branching from the first film, and even then it's a shit show because that implies there were multiple Engineer ships all carrying the toxin and not a single one made it to Earth.


So yeah. There's that.


I wouldn't call most of that fridge logic so much as answerable questions that were just not answered. Which was basically all of Prometheus.

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- The part at the start was meant to show the engineer seeding earth with his DNA, showing how they directly transferred their DNA to humans. I don't think the stuff he drank was meant to be the same stuff that showed up later. It was definitely weird and confusing.

- Yeah that was a little confusing. Probably just needed to throw in an action scene.

- She was pretty panicked at the time. Also, left or right would have been an arbitrary decision; had she gone right she would have been crushed anyway, like Shaw almost was.

- David is a hard character to read, because you really can't interpret his actions. He's functioning on a different level than human logic. Also factor in the idea that although he was meant to be anemotional, it definitely seemed like he was able to feel things such as pride, envy, contempt, to a certain extent. Also who knows what kind of things he learned about the engineers and their projects from that ship. And again, I guess they needed exciting shit to happen.

- Your next two points are both valid questions, but I think without knowing the motivation of the engineers, it's impossible to say whether it makes sense or not. And I guess a big question in the movie is really that 'why?'. The characters are asking that constantly, and so is the audience, and you never find out. Prometheus is a great movie if you're not someone who wants any of your questions answered. I also think the chemical weapon thing is not just a way to kill humans, but to turn them into a new race. The engineers created humans, so we can assume that they have some sort of desire to craft an organism. By killing all the humans with a giant laser they'd be giving up their work, but they want to continue their drive towards their ideal creation, thus the weird bio weapon. We also don't know what would have happened to Holloway if he had lived to the end of infection. There were those tiny worms in his eyes; it's probably that the toxin was growing something inside him. Basically the engineers were intending to use humans as a breeding ground for their next genetic experiment.

- I can't comment on this because I haven't seen the other Alien movies. Which I don't know how much that would affect my reading of Prometheus. But who knows what happened between Prometheus and Alien.

I can't say I was a huge fan of the film overall, but it was pretty spectacular to watch. Great cast, cinematography and effects.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby stock » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:19 pm

Scott has commented saying this isn't supposed to be a prequel. So I dunno, take that as you will and maybe a lot of things start looking like "nods" and not continuity. There are a lot of things that I think got fucked with how they cut the movie and I get the impression from reading a few sources that the original script cared a lot more about "faith" and Prometheus as a myth to tie a lot of motivation together. Still, hard to look back on the movie and tie things together.

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I think the Engineers had some sort of interest in creating the Xenomorph species. I read that the black goo is actually an agent that re-writes DNA and creates a new species. On the wall of the ship is that mural that has a distinctly Xenomorph head on it. Whether they were trying to make humans into that from their own DNA or not is up to speculation.

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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby eitlobsaboo » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:37 pm

This is going to be like that time when I hadn't seen Avengers yet and I'll feel left out again isn't it..

STILL haven't seen Avengers.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby eitlobsaboo » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:02 am

SO I finally saw Avengers...

Then I went back and read all your posts about it, which I couldn't read before. Kinda pointless to really add my view on it now as everything has pretty much been said, but
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You guys may have mentioned the loki fight with Hulk.. which was pretty amazing, but what got more laughs from me was when there was a pause in battle and Hulk and Thor end up standing next to each other and Hulk just punches him off. I laughed so hard.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby pie » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:33 am

We're uh... we're actually talking about Prometheus now, Eit.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby eitlobsaboo » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:15 pm

pie wrote:We're uh... we're actually talking about Prometheus now, Eit.

Yeah I know.. I'll probably end up missing that boat too..
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby eitlobsaboo » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:51 am

So I watched Super tonight
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Dwight went postal :| This movie was pretty fucked up.. but great at the same time.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby Ben » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:17 am

it was one of those movies I expected to be funny ha ha but ended up just being really really dark.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby eitlobsaboo » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:21 am

Ben wrote:it was one of those movies I expected to be funny ha ha but ended up just being really really dark.

Exactly. There were some funny moments.. but them BAM! he bashes in a dudes head with a wrench for butting.. totally threw me.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby MrSquishyDBC » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:59 am

Yeah, it was messed up in more way than one. But it was really well done, and Rainn Wilson did a great job in it. I really liked it.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby pie » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:29 pm

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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby Tekkactus » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:12 pm

Hahaha, was just gonna post that. Pretty much speaks for itself.
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Re: Ultimate Movie Madness 2.0

Postby eitlobsaboo » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:17 am

So I've been slamming the movies lately..

Journey to the Centre of the Earth - awful. 1/5
Journey 2 - Better, but only because of the Rocks bad acting. 2/5
The thing about those films is that everything was so coincidental and unrealistic.. Okay yes its all fictional (or is it dumdumdum) but just things like oh the batteries in this 140year old nautilus are dead.. oh hey theres a giant electric eel outside, lets use that. The next thing they conveniently have a long electrical cable.. just small shit like that through out the whole film just breaks the illusion.

Bad Teacher - watchable but pretty meh and forgetable. 2/5
Horrible Bosses - REALLY GREAT. Pretty silly plot, but it kind of works. I had a great time. 4/5

Chronicle - Interesting, but it got pretty crazy. Didn't explain what/how/why either it just kind of told the story of these kids then that was it. Could have been more. 2/5
Super 8 - Following these kids was great. Focusing the story on their experience rather than the alien thing getting all the attention was nice. 3/5
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